[White-water] Awesome Jet Boat Action Video on Wild Rogue!!

Thu Feb 5 08:27:37 PST 2009

A bit of sanity goes a long ways to keeping most factions on a friendly basis...the last thing this world needs is one group attempting to regulate a different group based predominately on personal whims....

I can do some things well, you can do some things well, and together we will all arrive to the final destination.  If we choose to collaborate in a friendly way the journey will be fantastic...if not.. well...we can see the results on any continent!  

Peace and happiness to all..

David de Oregon 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Roman Androsov 
To: white-water at maillist.peak.org
Sent: 2/4/09 10:14:44 PM 
Subject: Re: [White-water] Awesome Jet Boat Action Video on Wild Rogue!!

i personally don't like the idea of jet boats running the rapids and etc. too and my comment re the awesomeness of that video was just a sarcasm... however, since the video caused so many people here comment on it in a rather serious way, here's my $0.02. 
i  think that making an argument that such activities should be prohibited and citing wilderness preservation/conservation, river protection, primitive recreation opportunities and etc. as the reasons for that is a little short-sighted, especially when it comes from us, the kayaking/rafting folk. as far as i know, very few of us have kayaks/rafts made out of animal carcasses and fish bladders and use wooden paddles. we don't really  load them on the back of our horses to ride them tens or hundreds of miles to the river.  and
we rarely hike the river bank  with all the gear behind our backs to the put in to enjoy the float downstream... most of us, myself included, have plastic/rubber (as already mentioned by someone earlier, not super eco friendly substances) boats, carbon fiber paddles and oars, we get in our not yet emissions free cars/suvs and drive them to a parking lot at the take out and/or put it ( which actually didn't exist and were what we now call wildnerness 30-50 years ago) burning hundreds of gallons of gas a year more than if we chose to stay home and watch TV instead. it can hardly be called a primitive recreation... it also not clear whether an occasional fuel spill does more harm than all the plastic/rubber molecules left by hundreds and thousands of kayaks/rats floating down the river and/or those few that get pinned/broached and are left in the water for weeks/years.  we, as a group, actually may be harming the rivers and environment more then the few jet boaters, because we are more numerous, do it more frequently and are able to get further and deeper into the wilderness where it's more fragile. yes, we do it all without the jet roar, although some of us do generate sound waves of comparable power after a successful run of challenging rapids :) anyway, i think that the jet boaters, jetskier, rafters, kaykers, squirtboaters, scubadivers, fisherman, swimmers and etc. have the right to use the rivers for their favourite activities, even the "wild and scenic" ones. the use should be regulated, not prohibited. the standards for equipment, periods of use and etc. should be developed, so that the harmfullness of the activity is minimized and kept at a sustainable level. prohibiting it for one group of users because the activity in your opinion is more harmfull then the one you enjoy is not a solution...  as far as I know, we all exhale CO2 which apparently harms ozone layer and causes the global warming... anyone wanna join my initiative to prohibit people who exhale more than I do from breathing? 
roman

--- On Wed, 2/4/09, Steve Pedery <spedery at earthlink.net> wrote:

From: Steve Pedery <spedery at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [White-water] Awesome Jet Boat Action Video on Wild Rogue!!
To: white-water at maillist.peak.org
Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 4:25 PM

>From the Forest Service web page on Rogue River Wilderness:

The Wilderness Act requires management of human-caused impacts and protection of the area's wilderness character to insure that it is "unimpaired for the future use and enjoyment as wilderness." Use of the equipment listed as prohibited in wilderness is inconsistent with the provision in the Wilderness Act which mandates opportunities for solitude or primitive recreation and that wilderness is a place that is in contrast with areas where people and their works are dominant. 

Not sure how the roar of jet boats echoing up the canyon fits in with the goal of leaving the Wild Rogue to be a place for primitive recreation, where humans allow nature to take its course with minimal intrusion.  There is always some reason or another to rationalize why something like this is no big deal.  The same arguments would apply to snow mobiles tearing around Yellowstone, or ATV's on Steens Mountain.  That the river itself is not fully protected seems like an oversight that should be corrected, rather than excused.

-----Original Message----- 
From: thedave at frozenplanet.com 
Sent: Feb 4, 2009 11:41 AM 
To: David Kephart 
Cc: white-water at maillist.peak.org 
Subject: Re: [White-water] Awesome Jet Boat Action Video on Wild Rogue!! 

while it does seem that they are doing nothing illegal, i do see some wanton destruction of nature.

correct me if i'm wrong here, but i'm under the impression that those engines dump quite a bit of crap into the river during normal operation.  

d.

"What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, 
whether the mad destruction is brought under the name of totalitarianism 
or the holy name of liberty or democracy."
-Ghandi

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Kephart" <kepharda at yahoo.com>
To: bkayaker at yahoo.com, "Roman Androsov" <romanandrosov at yahoo.com>
Cc: "White- <Water at Maillist.Peak.org>" <white-water at maillist.peak.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 10:45:40 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [White-water] Awesome Jet Boat Action Video on Wild Rogue!!

Please define "open season" as far as I can discern they did nothing illegal.  Nor did I see any wanton destruction of nature, sure it would not be fun to meet a boat like that while running a rapid, but to be honest you sound to me just like the fly fishermen that don't like us on the river because we "destroy the experience".  

All that being said, those guys are completely foolish for not strapping on a helmet.  Catching that type of air will lead to someone being throw from the boat and striking a rock, then likely drowning.

From: Steve B <bkayaker at yahoo.com>
To: Roman Androsov <romanandrosov at yahoo.com>
Cc: "White- Water at Maillist.Peak.org" <white-water at maillist.peak.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:49:44 AM
Subject: Re: [White-water] Awesome Jet Boat Action Video on Wild Rogue!!

I think it should be open season on anyone taking a powerboat on a river like this.  This is a shamefull display of arrogance and I can't imagine any intelligent American doing this.  Let's see how much of Nature we can possible destroy in a weekend, YAHOO!

--- On Wed, 1/28/09, Roman Androsov <romanandrosov at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Roman Androsov <romanandrosov at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [White-water] Awesome Jet Boat Action Video on Wild Rogue!!
To: "White- Water at Maillist.Peak.org" <white-water at maillist.peak.org>, "Gary Adams" <bigdog660 at comcast.net>
Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 8:29 PM

awesome... unless the boat stalls... next time they should also have someone water ski all the rapids with them :) 

--- On Wed, 1/28/09, Gary Adams <bigdog660 at comcast.net> wrote:

From: Gary Adams <bigdog660 at comcast.net>
Subject: [White-water] Awesome Jet Boat Action Video on Wild Rogue!!
To: "White- Water at Maillist.Peak.org" <white-water at maillist.peak.org>
Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 1:37 PM

Whoa! Blossom, Rainie Falls, they run it all! 

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