[White-water] Awesome Jet Boat Action Video on Wild Rogue!!
Jim Flynn
jimflynn at efn.org
Tue Feb 10 09:24:32 PST 2009
Compromises will be made regardless. I guess your opinion on this
activity depends on whether you consider yourself an environmentalist or
just a pleasure boater.
Jim
==
Roman Androsov wrote:
> i personally don't like the idea of jet boats running the rapids and
> etc. too and my comment re the awesomeness of that video was just a
> sarcasm... however, since the video caused so many people here comment
> on it in a rather serious way, here's my $0.02.
> i think that making an argument that such activities should be
> prohibited and citing wilderness preservation/conservation, river
> protection, primitive recreation opportunities and etc. as the reasons
> for that is a little short-sighted, especially when it comes from us,
> the kayaking/rafting folk. as far as i know, very few of us have
> kayaks/rafts made out of animal carcasses and fish bladders and use
> wooden paddles. we don't really load them on the back of our horses
> to ride them tens or hundreds of miles to the river. and
> we rarely hike the river bank with all the gear behind our backs to
> the put in to enjoy the float downstream... most of us, myself
> included, have plastic/rubber (as already mentioned by someone
> earlier, not super eco friendly substances) boats, carbon fiber
> paddles and oars, we get in our not yet emissions free cars/suvs and
> drive them to a parking lot at the take out and/or put it ( which
> actually didn't exist and were what we now call wildnerness 30-50
> years ago) burning hundreds of gallons of gas a year more than if we
> chose to stay home and watch TV instead. it can hardly be called a
> primitive recreation... it also not clear whether an occasional fuel
> spill does more harm than all the plastic/rubber molecules left by
> hundreds and thousands of kayaks/rats floating down the river and/or
> those few that get pinned/broached and are left in the water for
> weeks/years. we, as a group, actually may be harming the rivers and
> environment more then the few jet boaters, because we are more
> numerous, do it more frequently and are able to get further and deeper
> into the wilderness where it's more fragile. yes, we do it all without
> the jet roar, although some of us do generate sound waves of
> comparable power after a successful run of challenging rapids :)
> anyway, i think that the jet boaters, jetskier, rafters, kaykers,
> squirtboaters, scubadivers, fisherman, swimmers and etc. have the
> right to use the rivers for their favourite activities, even the "wild
> and scenic" ones. the use should be regulated, not prohibited. the
> standards for equipment, periods of use and etc. should be developed,
> so that the harmfullness of the activity is minimized and kept at a
> sustainable level. prohibiting it for one group of users because the
> activity in your opinion is more harmfull then the one you enjoy is
> not a solution... as far as I know, we all exhale CO2 which
> apparently harms ozone layer and causes the global warming... anyone
> wanna join my initiative to prohibit people who exhale more than I do
> from breathing?
> roman
>
> --- On *Wed, 2/4/09, Steve Pedery /<spedery at earthlink.net>/* wrote:
>
> From: Steve Pedery <spedery at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [White-water] Awesome Jet Boat Action Video on Wild
> Rogue!!
> To: white-water at maillist.peak.org
> Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 4:25 PM
>
> >From the Forest Service web page on Rogue River Wilderness:
>
> The Wilderness Act requires management of human-caused impacts and
> protection of the area's wilderness character to insure that it is
> "unimpaired for the future use and enjoyment as wilderness." Use
> of the equipment listed as prohibited in wilderness is
> inconsistent with the provision in the Wilderness Act which
> mandates opportunities for solitude or primitive recreation and
> that wilderness is a place that is in contrast with areas where
> people and their works are dominant.
>
> Not sure how the roar of jet boats echoing up the canyon fits in
> with the goal of leaving the Wild Rogue to be a place for
> primitive recreation, where humans allow nature to take its course
> with minimal intrusion. There is always some reason or another to
> rationalize why something like this is no big deal. The same
> arguments would apply to snow mobiles tearing around Yellowstone,
> or ATV's on Steens Mountain. That the river itself is not fully
> protected seems like an oversight that should be corrected, rather
> than excused.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thedave at frozenplanet.com
> Sent: Feb 4, 2009 11:41 AM
> To: David Kephart
> Cc: white-water at maillist.peak.org
> Subject: Re: [White-water] Awesome Jet Boat Action Video on
> Wild Rogue!!
>
> while it does seem that they are doing nothing illegal, i do
> see some wanton destruction of nature.
>
> correct me if i'm wrong here, but i'm under the impression
> that those engines dump quite a bit of crap into the river
> during normal operation.
>
> d.
>
> "What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the
> homeless,
> whether the mad destruction is brought under the name of
> totalitarianism
> or the holy name of liberty or democracy."
> -Ghandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Kephart" <kepharda at yahoo.com>
> To: bkayaker at yahoo.com, "Roman Androsov" <romanandrosov at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "White- <Water at Maillist.Peak.org>"
> <white-water at maillist.peak.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 10:45:40 AM GMT -08:00
> US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: Re: [White-water] Awesome Jet Boat Action Video on
> Wild Rogue!!
>
> Please define "open season" as far as I can discern they did
> nothing illegal. Nor did I see any wanton destruction of
> nature, sure it would not be fun to meet a boat like that
> while running a rapid, but to be honest you sound to me just
> like the fly fishermen that don't like us on the river because
> we "destroy the experience".
>
> All that being said, those guys are completely foolish for not
> strapping on a helmet. Catching that type of air will lead to
> someone being throw from the boat and striking a rock, then
> likely drowning.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Steve B <bkayaker at yahoo.com>
> *To:* Roman Androsov <romanandrosov at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* "White- Water at Maillist.Peak.org"
> <white-water at maillist.peak.org>
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:49:44 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [White-water] Awesome Jet Boat Action Video on
> Wild Rogue!!
>
> I think it should be open season on anyone taking a powerboat
> on a river like this. This is a shamefull display of
> arrogance and I can't imagine any intelligent American doing
> this. Let's see how much of Nature we can possible destroy in
> a weekend, YAHOO!
>
> --- On *Wed, 1/28/09, Roman Androsov
> /<romanandrosov at yahoo.com>/* wrote:
>
> From: Roman Androsov <romanandrosov at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [White-water] Awesome Jet Boat Action Video
> on Wild Rogue!!
> To: "White- Water at Maillist.Peak.org"
> <white-water at maillist.peak.org>, "Gary Adams"
> <bigdog660 at comcast.net>
> Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 8:29 PM
>
> awesome... unless the boat stalls... next time they should
> also have someone water ski all the rapids with them :)
>
> --- On *Wed, 1/28/09, Gary Adams
> /<bigdog660 at comcast.net>/* wrote:
>
> From: Gary Adams <bigdog660 at comcast.net>
> Subject: [White-water] Awesome Jet Boat Action Video
> on Wild Rogue!!
> To: "White- Water at Maillist.Peak.org"
> <white-water at maillist.peak.org>
> Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 1:37 PM
>
> Whoa! Blossom, Rainie Falls, they run it all!
>
> http://current.com/items/89752722/bohhica_racing_2009.htm
>
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