[White-water] Awesome Jet Boat Action Video on Wild Rogue!!

Jim Flynn jimflynn at efn.org
Tue Feb 10 09:24:32 PST 2009


Compromises will be made regardless. I guess your opinion on this 
activity depends on whether you consider yourself an environmentalist or 
just a pleasure boater.

Jim

==
Roman Androsov wrote:
> i personally don't like the idea of jet boats running the rapids and 
> etc. too and my comment re the awesomeness of that video was just a 
> sarcasm... however, since the video caused so many people here comment 
> on it in a rather serious way, here's my $0.02.
> i  think that making an argument that such activities should be 
> prohibited and citing wilderness preservation/conservation, river 
> protection, primitive recreation opportunities and etc. as the reasons 
> for that is a little short-sighted, especially when it comes from us, 
> the kayaking/rafting folk. as far as i know, very few of us have 
> kayaks/rafts made out of animal carcasses and fish bladders and use 
> wooden paddles. we don't really  load them on the back of our horses 
> to ride them tens or hundreds of miles to the river.  and
> we rarely hike the river bank  with all the gear behind our backs to 
> the put in to enjoy the float downstream... most of us, myself 
> included, have plastic/rubber (as already mentioned by someone 
> earlier, not super eco friendly substances) boats, carbon fiber 
> paddles and oars, we get in our not yet emissions free cars/suvs and 
> drive them to a parking lot at the take out and/or put it ( which 
> actually didn't exist and were what we now call wildnerness 30-50 
> years ago) burning hundreds of gallons of gas a year more than if we 
> chose to stay home and watch TV instead. it can hardly be called a 
> primitive recreation... it also not clear whether an occasional fuel 
> spill does more harm than all the plastic/rubber molecules left by 
> hundreds and thousands of kayaks/rats floating down the river and/or 
> those few that get pinned/broached and are left in the water for 
> weeks/years.  we, as a group, actually may be harming the rivers and 
> environment more then the few jet boaters, because we are more 
> numerous, do it more frequently and are able to get further and deeper 
> into the wilderness where it's more fragile. yes, we do it all without 
> the jet roar, although some of us do generate sound waves of 
> comparable power after a successful run of challenging rapids :) 
> anyway, i think that the jet boaters, jetskier, rafters, kaykers, 
> squirtboaters, scubadivers, fisherman, swimmers and etc. have the 
> right to use the rivers for their favourite activities, even the "wild 
> and scenic" ones. the use should be regulated, not prohibited. the 
> standards for equipment, periods of use and etc. should be developed, 
> so that the harmfullness of the activity is minimized and kept at a 
> sustainable level. prohibiting it for one group of users because the 
> activity in your opinion is more harmfull then the one you enjoy is 
> not a solution...  as far as I know, we all exhale CO2 which 
> apparently harms ozone layer and causes the global warming... anyone 
> wanna join my initiative to prohibit people who exhale more than I do 
> from breathing?
> roman
>
> --- On *Wed, 2/4/09, Steve Pedery /<spedery at earthlink.net>/* wrote:
>
>     From: Steve Pedery <spedery at earthlink.net>
>     Subject: Re: [White-water] Awesome Jet Boat Action Video on Wild
>     Rogue!!
>     To: white-water at maillist.peak.org
>     Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 4:25 PM
>
>     >From the Forest Service web page on Rogue River Wilderness:
>
>     The Wilderness Act requires management of human-caused impacts and
>     protection of the area's wilderness character to insure that it is
>     "unimpaired for the future use and enjoyment as wilderness." Use
>     of the equipment listed as prohibited in wilderness is
>     inconsistent with the provision in the Wilderness Act which
>     mandates opportunities for solitude or primitive recreation and
>     that wilderness is a place that is in contrast with areas where
>     people and their works are dominant.
>
>     Not sure how the roar of jet boats echoing up the canyon fits in
>     with the goal of leaving the Wild Rogue to be a place for
>     primitive recreation, where humans allow nature to take its course
>     with minimal intrusion.  There is always some reason or another to
>     rationalize why something like this is no big deal.  The same
>     arguments would apply to snow mobiles tearing around Yellowstone,
>     or ATV's on Steens Mountain.  That the river itself is not fully
>     protected seems like an oversight that should be corrected, rather
>     than excused.
>
>
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: thedave at frozenplanet.com
>         Sent: Feb 4, 2009 11:41 AM
>         To: David Kephart
>         Cc: white-water at maillist.peak.org
>         Subject: Re: [White-water] Awesome Jet Boat Action Video on
>         Wild Rogue!!
>
>         while it does seem that they are doing nothing illegal, i do
>         see some wanton destruction of nature.
>
>         correct me if i'm wrong here, but i'm under the impression
>         that those engines dump quite a bit of crap into the river
>         during normal operation. 
>
>         d.
>
>         "What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the
>         homeless,
>         whether the mad destruction is brought under the name of
>         totalitarianism
>         or the holy name of liberty or democracy."
>         -Ghandi
>
>         ----- Original Message -----
>         From: "David Kephart" <kepharda at yahoo.com>
>         To: bkayaker at yahoo.com, "Roman Androsov" <romanandrosov at yahoo.com>
>         Cc: "White- <Water at Maillist.Peak.org>"
>         <white-water at maillist.peak.org>
>         Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 10:45:40 AM GMT -08:00
>         US/Canada Pacific
>         Subject: Re: [White-water] Awesome Jet Boat Action Video on
>         Wild Rogue!!
>
>         Please define "open season" as far as I can discern they did
>         nothing illegal.  Nor did I see any wanton destruction of
>         nature, sure it would not be fun to meet a boat like that
>         while running a rapid, but to be honest you sound to me just
>         like the fly fishermen that don't like us on the river because
>         we "destroy the experience". 
>
>         All that being said, those guys are completely foolish for not
>         strapping on a helmet.  Catching that type of air will lead to
>         someone being throw from the boat and striking a rock, then
>         likely drowning.
>
>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>         *From:* Steve B <bkayaker at yahoo.com>
>         *To:* Roman Androsov <romanandrosov at yahoo.com>
>         *Cc:* "White- Water at Maillist.Peak.org"
>         <white-water at maillist.peak.org>
>         *Sent:* Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:49:44 AM
>         *Subject:* Re: [White-water] Awesome Jet Boat Action Video on
>         Wild Rogue!!
>
>         I think it should be open season on anyone taking a powerboat
>         on a river like this.  This is a shamefull display of
>         arrogance and I can't imagine any intelligent American doing
>         this.  Let's see how much of Nature we can possible destroy in
>         a weekend, YAHOO!
>
>         --- On *Wed, 1/28/09, Roman Androsov
>         /<romanandrosov at yahoo.com>/* wrote:
>
>             From: Roman Androsov <romanandrosov at yahoo.com>
>             Subject: Re: [White-water] Awesome Jet Boat Action Video
>             on Wild Rogue!!
>             To: "White- Water at Maillist.Peak.org"
>             <white-water at maillist.peak.org>, "Gary Adams"
>             <bigdog660 at comcast.net>
>             Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 8:29 PM
>
>             awesome... unless the boat stalls... next time they should
>             also have someone water ski all the rapids with them :)
>
>             --- On *Wed, 1/28/09, Gary Adams
>             /<bigdog660 at comcast.net>/* wrote:
>
>                 From: Gary Adams <bigdog660 at comcast.net>
>                 Subject: [White-water] Awesome Jet Boat Action Video
>                 on Wild Rogue!!
>                 To: "White- Water at Maillist.Peak.org"
>                 <white-water at maillist.peak.org>
>                 Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 1:37 PM
>
>                 Whoa! Blossom, Rainie Falls, they run it all!
>
>                 http://current.com/items/89752722/bohhica_racing_2009.htm
>
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